SOR – more fallout

If you’ve been following the news regarding the UKs SOR (Sexual Orientation Regulations), you’ll know the main kerfuffle has been regarding the law and potential violation of Christian conscience and church teaching.

An interesting development recently has been the possible impact on the gay-only hotel business. What is sauce for the goose has become sauce for the gander I guess. What it really highlights is how completely ridiculous and divisive these regulations are.

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15 Responses to SOR – more fallout

  1. mcalmond says:

    Peter, I have tried three times to answer your email, but each time they have come back as undeliverable. So, let me just say here that I really do not have anything that I could recommend. It is not a subject that I am very proficient in. Maybe I should do some more research myself 🙂 Sorry. Maybe next time.

    Blessings in Christ Jesus!

  2. Peter says:

    Hopefully you got my reply!

    Blessings,

    Peter

  3. Simon Icke says:

    “There is much more at stake than the Catholic Adoption Agencies requested opt outs, important as they are.
    “Once again this atheistic Government ignores the majority view to appease the militant minority. The Sexual Orientation Regulations (SOR) were never about gay rights.
    “No, the real agenda from this Government is about turning this nation into a secularist state and it was convenient to use these SORs as the first major step in doing so.
    “This is part of a much wider and bigger agenda to eradicate Christianity from our society and its institutions.. These new regulations show no respect whatsoever for the beliefs and values of people of faith including Christians, Catholics, Muslims, Jews and other minority faiths who have different morals and values to atheist, aggressive liberal secularist and militant gay groups.
    “I hope the faith communities will now mobilise against New Labour at the next general election who have now revealed their true colours and their hidden agenda. New Labour is obviously hell bent on forcing its secularist, now not so hidden agenda on the British people, whether they like it or not!”

  4. Peter says:

    Hi Simon,

    I agree wholeheartedly. The SOR was never anything more than the codifying in law of one worldview over another. It appears to me to work as the beginning of the persecution of Christians and the like. The UK public appear not to care a lot really, just like here in Canada. As long as all material benefits continue as usual, nobody is interested in fighting for anything else. A sad indictment on our culture.

    Blessings,

    Peter

  5. Simon Icke says:

    LATEST NEWS

    Sexual Orientation Regulations (SORs) will be fully implemented from 30 April 2007 in the UK without a parliamentary debate and without concessions, the Government have used their underhand parliamentary tactics once again to force these unwelcome new rules on the majority without a consensus and without the issue being debated in the House of Commons. What did you expect from this atheistic Government? How do you feel now, you trusting liberal Christians and Catholics about this Government? Maybe you were taken in by their false reassurances and their smooth sounding sound bites? Fools the the lot of you! When will you wake up to the fact that this Government doesn’t care less about your weak protests? This is an aggressive secularist agenda, all you need do to let it continue , is to do the same as you have done for the last ten years. NOTHING!

    Regards

    Simon

  6. Peter says:

    For evil to triumph, it is enough for good men to do nothing….

    As you say Simon, as you say.

    Blessings,

    Peter

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  8. Simon Icke says:

    SORS FORCED THROUGH AT HASTE WITHOUT A FULL PARLIAMENTARY DEBATE AND DESPITE SUSTAINED PROTESTS FROM THE VAST MAJORITY OF CHRISTIANS IN THE UK…. so have the protests been in vain?

    ‘The Message is onward onward Christian soldiers. A lot of good has come out of this fight against the SORs. Many Christians ‘smelt the coffee’ for the first time because of this issue and realised what this aggressive liberal New Labour Government is really about. So Christian please do not be too downhearted. Many believers have put up a sustained noble and dignified fight on this issue, sadly they have been undermined by some liberal Christians and even some non-liberal Christians who were perhaps taken in by the Government’s false reassurances and smooth sounding soundbites. Fool them!

    Eventually I hope and pray that all Christians unite to make a stand against this atheistic Government and it’s aggressive secularist agenda. I also hope in future fights on important moral issues, Christians don’t use Christian ‘grace’ as a poor excuse for cowardice and doing nothing.’

  9. Simon Icke says:

    Reading The Mail on Sunday 18.03.07, the article by Jonathan Oliver, Page 15, highlighted the findings of the BBC Poll confirming what I have been trying to say for months, that Christians are being discriminated against in Britain today more than any other group. Recently many Christians have expressed their deep concerns over the governments forced Sexual Orientation Regulations (SORs) using the guise of yet more gay rights legislation to discriminate against Christians and force them to act against their beliefs, values and conscience. Yet the government has totally ignored their protest and made no concessions. Ever since the protest outside the House of Lords against the SORs I have been trying to bring to the publics attention that there is a hidden aggressive secularist agenda led by this Government and supported by influential aggressive liberal secularist. It’s time Christians woke up and started to fight back before it’s too late.

  10. Peter says:

    I think most peopler don’t really care, that’s the problem. Until is affects them, by which time it will be too late.

    I’ll keep my eye on this one and keep on chronicling it…

    Blessings,

    Peter

  11. Simon Icke says:

    In view of the Government and Liberal whips not allowing their MPs and Peers a free vote for this weeks passing of the new Sexual Orientation Regulations (SORs) as they were forced through the House of Commons and the Lords at unseemly undemocratic haste. Is this what the Government calls democracy? Using outrageous undemocratic and underhand tactics to force these unwelcome new rules on the majority. Should the silent majority now accept this so called democratic process and these unwelcome new rules?

    I would like to ask the Government and its liberal supporters; democracy what democracy? You mean riding roughshod over the majority without debate to appease a 3% militant minority? What is it now, the 9th piece of gay rights legislation in nine years of New Labour Government. That sounds more like a Government obsessed with gay rights to me. Like so many liberals when someone dares to make a stand and say enough is enough. You make the ‘cheap shot’ of calling all Christians and people of other faiths who opposed these half baked SORs ‘homophobic’.(liberals are only liberal when people agree with them). There was enough legislation all ready in place to protect homosexuals from discrimination. In any case I see no evidence of your so called ‘homophobia’ from Christians. Merely Christians saying we have rights too; the right to our beliefs, our values and conscience, the same values and beliefs that have been around since Christianity began.

  12. Simon Icke says:

    Re: Malcolm Duncan’s comments and Faithworks stand on SORs and other moral issues facing this nation at this time.

    http://malcolmduncan.typepad.com/malcolm_duncan/2007/03/are_christians_.html#comment-64515404

    See FAITHWORKS website for more information click link above.

    Malcolm Duncan wrote:

    Simon ,

    Do you think there is ever a point at which Christians should ‘fight back’ as you put it physically, i.e. use force?

    Simon Icke’s Reply:

    When I say fight back I mean it’s time for Christians to be bold and stand and be counted and to use their combined strength through the democratic process, using the power of the word both written and verbal and by peaceful protest and campaigning. We should be proactive not reactive, ideally. But we shouldn’t be afraid to use plain speaking when it’s called for. As you can see from my previous postings on this site and many other sites, I believe in saying it as it is, even if the words are uncomfortable to many. I don’t believe in being ‘wishy washy’ or writing what people want to hear. In these difficult spiritual times for our nation there is a need for clarity and positive leadership. It’s not a time for sitting on the fence and seeing what happens.

    The Lord has empowered us with the authority and wisdom of The Holy Spirit to speak clearly to this, mostly, Godless society. My challenge is to the believers as well as the nonbelievers. If my words sometimes seem provocative that’s because they are meant to be. To disturb peoples comfort zones and make them think, whether they agree with me or not is not the point. As a Christian I am not in the business of being a sheep and following the crowd or trying to appease militant minorities who have a disproportionate say in our UK society.

    The silent majority have been ignored time and time again by this arrogant government and many people are starting to wake up and say ‘enough is enough’. In my view the SORs are a prime example of that. Two wrongs don’t make a right; how can it be right to discriminate against one group to appease another? To the extent where people will be asked to act against their deep held beliefs and values or risk being arrested. Despite your reassurances and the wait and see line you are taking on this important issue (although sincerely held I am sure), I believe you are very much mistaken on this one.

    I am sure there are now going to be many instances of forced conflicts because of these rushed and ill thought out SORs. Christians didn’t want this, this arrogant Government through not listening to the genuine concerns voiced by many people of faith,(not just Christians), have brought this unprecedented situation about.
    It’s one thing as a Christian not to be judgmental and to show love and kindness to all people, but it is something else to have no respect coming the other way and for people to have their beliefs and values rubbed in the dirt. Especially when it is being led by the Government of the day!

    Myself and many others will continue to protest by peaceful means and within the law not just against these perceived unfair SORs but on many other moral issues facing this country. I hope in future your organisation will join in this peaceful fight for our rights, our values and our Christian heritage.

    Fight the good fight with all your might, is the call, using wisdom, grace and love but also fairness and justice to all, not, just a militant few.

  13. Simon Icke says:

    In view of my outspoken previous comments about the SORs, perhaps an explanation of where I stand as a Christian might be of interest and why I feel as I do about the SORs. I hope this helps?

    Many unbelievers and liberal Christians make such assumptions about what they think Christians like myself think and why we take such a stand on being so strongly against these new Sexual Orientation Regulations (SORS). I cannot speak for others but I can honestly say my philosophy of life is simple: I look up to no one and I look down to no one. I see everyone as my equal. I try and look for the good in my fellow man or woman no matter who they are. I hate no one and I try and show Christian love to everyone. I cannot be self righteous or believe I am better than anyone. As I am a sinner like everyone else, it is not by what I say or do that brings my salvation, but the price Jesus Christ paid for me on a cross at Calvary. He gave his life for me a sinner, even though I am not worthy. It is only by His unconditional love, amazing grace and mercy that I am saved from death and reconciled to God, my Father in Heaven. Therefore with humility I try and live my life and help others where I can. But as a Christian I also believe in justice and truth, which includes all people being treated fairly and with equal justice. It is my sincere belief that these ill thought out SORS do not achieve that. In the Government’s zeal to try and be fair to gays they have either deliberately or by default discriminated against Christians and people of other faiths, making new laws that show no respect whatsoever for peoples deep held faith, beliefs and values. In a democracy it should be justice and fairness for all not just a vociferous militant minority.

    Regards

    Simon

  14. Peter says:

    Thanks for the explanation Simon. I will keep my eye on developments this side of the pond and the other.

    Blessings,

    Peter

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